Mutated Swine Flu Strains Block Drugs, Worsen Illness (Update2)

News Type: Event — Seeded on Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:39 PM EST

Article Source: Bloomberg.com

Swine flu infections in which the virus mutated to a form that's more severe or less sensitive to drug treatment are being investigated by European and U.S. public health officials.

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2 votes

#1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:42 PM EST

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River-239955

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3 votes

#2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:54 PM EST

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Dragon1986

It's a bioweapon released by Baxter.

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3 votes

#3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:09 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

It's also the use of expired antivirals that were stockpiled but never sold...and Donald Rumsfeld wasn't going for that. An expired antiviral will most likely do the opposite of the original intent..causing more virulence instead of less.

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1 vote

#3.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:16 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

While there is little risk posed by the mutations, investigators are monitoring the new clusters closely, according to health officials from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization.

Now how could they possibly expect us to believe that. The original virus began as a small cluster of illness too. Tamiflu is a pretty worthless anti-viral anyway. Big pharma won't like this. I can't tell you how many times I've warned viners about this flu until I finally gave up. I hope this new strain does not reach pandemic proportions or we are in trouble!

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2 votes

#4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:12 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

Oh! we are in trouble...especially if we are depending on conventional medicine, science, and a corporate/government to protect us. Not going to happen.

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3 votes

#4.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:18 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

Related Content:

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3 votes

#4.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM EST

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dixielee-1197053

good article...kudos

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2 votes

#4.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM EST

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Kathleen McKenzie

That's what a virus does best -- mutate to take advantage of any weakness. Let us hope Ebola, Marburg or any of the other filoviruses never get loose in the general public. Talk about unstoppable!

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4 votes

#5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:27 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

Looks like they may be on the way...through production, injection, and aspiration. Has no one noticed that the more people vaccinated the more disease outbreaks? Correlation? Happens every time.

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4 votes

#5.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:38 PM EST

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River-239955

I think I need a bigger rock to hide under.

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4 votes

#5.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:18 PM EST

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Peter Merel

There are over 6 billion human beings on this planet. Given the normal rate of mental disease science predicts about 5% of them, around 300 million people, will suffer from paranoid schizophrenia.

What science has not explained is how come all these paranoid schizophrenics live in the same country.

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2 votes

#5.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:10 PM EST

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doctorsteph

Oh but I wish they did. We just ignore them till they cause problems!!

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1 vote

#5.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:21 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

Maybe you can start with the fear mongers...

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2 votes

#5.5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:24 PM EST

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River-239955

If that happens to be a legitimate diagnosis, I'll take my retirement now. kthnxbai.....

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2 votes

#5.6 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:32 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

This has nothing to do with fear mongering. I am coughed and sneezed on, on a daily basis in the emergency room. It is only common sense. I will get my vaccine, I say. Cull the herd, I say.

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3 votes

#5.7 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:43 PM EST

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doctorsteph

dixie- we need a good pandemic!!

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2 votes

#5.8 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:43 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

Sure would liven things up!!!( or should I say deaden things up)

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2 votes

#5.9 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:51 PM EST

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doctorsteph

lol!!!!

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2 votes

#5.10 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:56 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

I am still going to get my swine flu vacc tomorrow especially now that I have heard hat it has mutated. The vaccine will still confer immunity if only partial. I work in a hospital and no matter what precautions I take I will be exposed

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2 votes

#6 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:10 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

November 10, 2009:Margaret Hamburg MD FDA: To health care professionals

It is likely that most families in the United States will be touched by H1N1 influenza this year. Fortunately, many will experience mild illness. Others will endure unspeakable tragedy. The benefits of preventing serious consequences from infection with the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus far outweigh the risks associated with the vaccination.

Local Health departments now have the vaccine available for distribution.

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2 votes

#7 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:26 PM EST

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doctorsteph

This ain't so- it is a rhinovirus that appears worse than usual and seems to mimick swine flu. CDC told us this the past week.

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1 vote

#8 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:31 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

Not true Doc Steph

WHO Investigating Norway Swine Flu Mutations » Matthew Yglesias 9 hours ago - WHO Investigating Norway Swine Flu Mutations. ... The mutation was found in three of 70 analyzed swine flu cases, said Geir Stene-Larsen, the institute's ...

Swine Flu Mutation Worries Norway Scientists - CDC official says ...

10 hours ago - Norwegian scientists say they've discovered a mutated version of swine flu in two

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1 vote

#8.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:52 PM EST

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doctorsteph

No- it is true-there is a difference between what we are seeing in patients and what the epidemiologists have seen possibilities of. The thing that is putting people in the hospital here, now, is a mutated rhinovirus. The people are just as sick- if not sicker, and this is just really a bad year for the people.

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1 vote

#8.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:56 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

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3 votes

#9 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:04 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

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2 votes

#9.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:43 PM EST

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doctorsteph

GOZO- may be true- are you willing to have patients bet their life on it?

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2 votes

#9.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:49 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

I saw that too, but then it might not have. Flu season hasn't started yet. Just wait and see. I just say be wary, but you know what my mindset is, if it is out there I am going to get exposed to it (airborne that is, ha ha)

and if people think those stupid little masks are going to prevent penetration of viral particles they are sadly mistaken

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2 votes

#9.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:50 PM EST

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doctorsteph

ultra hysterical to see people with masks on touching surfaces and rubbing their faces. Or people with masks on and their kids have no masks- I want real health education in elementary school.

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2 votes

#9.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:00 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

I'm betting my life on a strong immune system and natural substances that prevent and treat if necessary. My gun is loaded.....

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2 votes

#9.5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:04 PM EST

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doctorsteph

Not a bad plan!!

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2 votes

#9.6 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:06 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

To protect yourself from a virus, you would need a mask with a class 3 hepa-filter, you can't get them from your local drug store (or K mart)

I can see the vendors on the streets now "Masks here!!" "Get your masks here!!" God, I hope not.

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2 votes

#9.7 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:08 PM EST

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doctorsteph

even then- dixie as you know- has to be an airborne virus- like HANTA.

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2 votes

#9.8 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:10 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

Right now I'd rather just think about H1N1, thank-you. The others are too terrifying even for me. At least feces can't cough on us ( but if you have ever changed a litter box you may beg to differ) and it is not transmissible from human to human, that is one of the problems with H1n1---HOW CONTAGIOUS IT IS.

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2 votes

#9.9 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:30 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

well I got my H1N1 vaccine today. Let you all know if I get sick or come down with guillain barre. It was the only sensible thing for me to do. I think you all should keep your eye on the situation, because if that mutated strain starts to spread, there will be a mad rush for vaccine and we could run out. Later

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2 votes

#9.10 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:16 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

When you get a chance, give us the rundown of your experience where, when, bla bla....just curious...and we definitely want you to keep us posted. Thanks.

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2 votes

#9.11 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:42 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

I got my vaccine at the health department for free...keep you posted

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1 vote

#9.12 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:03 PM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

Do you know who manufactured the vaccine? Just wondering.

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1 vote

#9.13 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:34 PM EST

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Santino42

I think you all should keep your eye on the situation, because if that mutated strain starts to spread, there will be a mad rush for vaccine and we could run out.

Dixielee you know the H1N1 vaccine that you just took would have no protection from a mutated strain right? In theory the scientist would have to develop a new vaccine that matched the new mutation.

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4 votes

#9.14 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:44 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

Not true. there has only been a couple of point mutations that make it more virulent, The H1N1 virus would have to totally mutate into a different virus for that vaccine not to have conferred some immunity.

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3 votes

#9.15 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:39 PM EST

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Santino42

The H1N1 virus would have to totally mutate into a different virus for that vaccine not to have conferred some immunity.

Do you have a link or source for this claim? Probably not right...

"Some immunity"? What is that exactly? Oh you mean you still get sick and suffer the same mild to moderate symptoms that the H1N1 typically causes.

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2 votes

#9.16 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:18 AM EST

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dixielee-1197053

No I don't have a link, maybe I will look for one, I am a specialist in Clinical Microbiology which is why I stick my neck out like that. The above mentioned links may have info on the point mutations, but today is Thanksgiving and I will look for a link later. Peace. "some" immunity would mean mild symptoms even if hit with the more virulent strain.

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4 votes

#9.17 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:45 AM EST

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dixielee-1197053

oops sorry almost double post

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3 votes

#9.18 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:59 AM EST

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Santino42

Have a nice Turkey Day dixielee.

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2 votes

#9.19 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:00 AM EST

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dixielee-1197053

I can't do that, I am going to take too many hits

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2 votes

#10 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:45 PM EST

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Sacrilege

It's as if they're shocked to discover that viruses can mutate and change, just as any other living organism. And when ever this one gets under wraps, another one will come up and it just goes on and on.

The planet's way of culling over-population sucks, doesn't it?

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3 votes

#11 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:21 AM EST

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dixielee-1197053

I am fine and healthy. Didn't get sick from the vaccine. Will keep a look out for vague neurological symptoms, but honestly I don't think the vaccine is anything to be afraid of.

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1 vote

#12 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:13 AM EST

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GOZO-unlimited

Thank you for your good reports....

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2 votes

#12.1 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:58 AM EST

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Santino42

but honestly I don't think the vaccine is anything to be afraid of.

Dixie...do you honestly think the way your body reacts to any vaccine will be the same response for everyone else who takes the vaccine?

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2 votes

#12.2 - Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:38 PM EST

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dixielee-1197053

No, but the vast majority will report no side effects. If any one is concerned they should talk to a licensed physician, in particular, one who is an infectious diseases specialist ( and there are plenty around. They would know the low-down. Unfortunately many general practitioners wouldn't.)

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3 votes

#12.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:51 PM EST

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