Now independent thinkers are considered diseased by psychiatry

This sounds the same as anyone insecure in authority seeking to gain control over the masses. It reminds me of what Frances Farmer went through during her career. Simply because she refused to accept the norm for society at the time, she was hospitalized in an institution and eventually lobotomized.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002068/

ABSOLUTELY Holly-

Psychiatry has a LONG & WELL established history of targeting artists. They use popular people as a means to promote their wares. Recently. Anna Nichole Smith is just one example. There are numerous others.

ahem..."muw"

I still have it and it's incurable!

I've been cultivating it in my personality, and it's quite refreshing

Its an admirable quality in an adult I do believe (especially if there is a brain to match the defiance!!). When it is diagnosed in children (I did a little research on it when a kid I knew was diagnosed about a year or two back) all of the behavioral therapy and treatment for it boils down to is "don't be a @!$%#ty parent". Seriously, the recommended treatment regimen involved having a fairly well set schedule, having rules and structure and consistently enforcing those rules, taking time out to interact with your kid every day...essentially the treatment was good parenting. Of course given my opinion of that particular parent I may be a little biased in my interpretation.

I had the local govt accusing me of this because I wouldn't give up until they gave out public documents and posted agendas for their meetings..... like I was the bad guy for makin em follow the rules...pfft! the 'he-man woman hater's club/good ole boys' really dislike it when you expose their little 'clubhouse' mentality

you know i read that book, it was scary as hell, i totaly agree with you

To me, books are always scarier than the movies... Maybe it is something about your imagination can dream up worse nightmares than they can ever really show on film! :-)

(((Dowser))))

In addition to The Stepford Wives...I would suggest reading "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley.

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Something I found amusing and insightful about treating women's depression and other "ills" back in the 1800s.....

http://www.explorehistoricalif.com/hysteria.html

Women with physical or emotional symptoms such as headaches, emotional instability, melancholy, aggression, depression, feeling lower abdominal heaviness, muscle pains and other discomfort might have sought his treatment as these symptoms were considered to be linked to women's reproductive system.

More specifically, Victorian Era (1837-1901) physicians referred to these symptoms as female hysteria

from the Greek idea of a "wandering womb seeking its proper place." The symptoms, according to their testing, could treated by the stimulation of the female genitals which induced “hysterical paroxysm.”

It is nice that men recognized that women must have orgasms, too. The sad part is that husbands of that time were not trained for this elementary "medical" treatment.

In a society were good women were not supposed to have sexual cravings, it was quite acceptable to visit the doctor or to be visited by the doctor when bothered by symptoms of hysteria. In those times, manual manipulation was a customary and accepted medical practice. When male doctors came up with this great treatment in the 1800's, many women felt in their every day life as if they were guided by angels.

The vibrator eventually became one of the earliest devices to be converted to electricity. First was the sewing machine in 1889, followed by the fan and toaster. Electrification of the vibrator beat out the iron and vacuum cleaner by a decade.

Early electric vibrators were strictly for professional use in the doctor's office, but as technology improved and the size of the vibrator got smaller, the devices were sold by retailers such as Sears, Roebuck and Co. and discretely advertised in women's magazines of the time.

In fact, we can conclude that masturbation is nothing less than natural healing for hysteria recommended by physicians. Hysteria was not officially removed as a disease by the American Psychiatric Association until 1952.

So ladies, don't complain of pain when the treatment is in your hand.

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http://www.kcoyle.net/forbidden.html

As in ancient times, treatment for hysteria consisted generally of manual manipulation of the womb area to provoke a "hysterical crisis" in which the woman convulsed and moaned and was relieved of her tension to the point of even being somnolent. In this way, women's sexual needs were deemed to be an illness and without ever using the word "orgasm" doctors of the time made a fine living with women patients who returned frequently for treatments.

These treatments were so common and were consuming so much of the time of doctors that this actually led to the invention and perfection of the vibrator. The first vibrators were huge, expensive machines sold only to doctor's offices (and came with names like "The Chattanooga"). With this modern technology the time to treat a hysterical patient dropped from one hour to ten minutes, allowing the doctor to see many more patients in the same time. Needless to say, the medical establishment was quite enthusiastic.

As the end of the century neared and more and more homes were connected to electricity, the technology of orgasm came into the home in the form of small, inexpensive vibrators. For the first time this technology was in the hands of the women themselves, but all mention of these machines carefully avoided mention of sex or orgasm. Instead advertisements gave glowing reports of rosy cheeks and youthful energy.

Something, however, happened between the beginning of the 20th century and the 1920's, because suddenly the vibrator disappears as a product; the ads are gone from women's magazines and the manufacture of the products themselves seems to drop off. One possible reason, reports Maines, is that some early pornographic films from the 1920's show the vibrator as a sexual tool. This connection of the vibrator with sexuality made it impossible for women of the time to continue the charade that they were "just relieving tension," and the vibrator disappeared from the home.

holy crap cowgirl.......I never knew that.......

Holy schmoly! Makes me look at my great great great, great great, and great grandparents in a whole new view...

What a hoot!

My question is: When did sex become such a 'dirty word' for women? Victoria had 9 children-- surely she had some sex to go along with it! :-)

When I googled for info on depression treatments of the 1800s, I was actually looking for the cocaine/laudanum "therapy", but Google gave me the above info and I just had to pass it along. LOL!

Actually, I had heard mention of this in "The Road to Wellville" (I think ---I just caught bits and pieces of this movie).

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111001/usercomments?start=10

John Harvey Kellogg may have been the inventor of the corn flake and peanut butter, but his time spent running the Battle Creek sanitarium is the subject of the semi-biographical comedy, The Road To Wellville. At the sanitarium Dr. Kellogg taught of the dangers of eating meat, having sex, and even masturbation (after all, "an erection is a flagpole on your grave"). Without meat and sex, there's plenty of time for Dr. Kellogg's favorite pastime, enemas, with the occasional yogurt enema thrown in for good measure. Although not 100% biographical, based on the novel of the same name by T. Coraghessan Boyle, there's a lot more truth in The Road To Wellville than we'd like to think. After all, fact is stranger than fiction.

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take2la - ROFLMAO!!! A million votes for 7.9! :)

LOL! Funny!

Absolutely!